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John Coleman wants to sue Al Gore for fraud. Coleman, who founded the Weather Channel in 1982, thinks taking legal action against Al Gore would be a great "vehicle to finally put some light on the fraud of global warming." Coleman rejects the notion that people must take drastic actions to reduce their energy use. Speaking at the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change on Monday, Coleman sharply chastised those who further global warming alarmism. Coleman believes that the station he founded has been captured by alarmists, such as the Weather Channel’s Heidi Cullen, who has advocated revoking the license of meteorologists that believe global warming can be explained by cyclical weather patterns and not human activity.


http://www.citizensugar.com/1093812

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What complete hogwash! When are people going to wake up and realize that global warming is a reality, and that humans are major contributors to the phenomenon? Look around, compare the weather patterns you are experiencing now to the ones you remember when you were younger---radically different and not at all characteristic to the seasons is what I see happening....

People like John Coleman just want to keep lining their pockets with the wealth they gain from exploiting the planet for her resources. I haven't researched him, but I bet if one digs a little, one might find ties to the oil industry buried somewhere...

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The fact that there is no actual proof of global warming is what the founder of the weather channel is getting mad about. And the person who is lining his pockets is Al Gore..he's making millions off spreading possibly false info about global warming.

But to sue Al Gore about something that hasn't been proven false is just...hogwash

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No actual proof?? How about these studies for starters:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4495463.stm

http://www.livescience.com/environment/ ... 41115.html

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articl ... 9EC588ED9F

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 516033.ece

http://www.mng.org.uk/gh/threat/threat6.htm

http://www.whrc.org/resources/online_pu ... idence.htm
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these are just a few of the articles I got just from googling "global warming proof"--and while no one of them by themselves is proof positive, one has to start saying, "well there must be something to this..." as the different bits of evidence start piling up from such varied and respected sources....

As for Al Gore, he's not making any money off spreading any information about the phenomenon. In fact, all of his profits from his movie, "An Inconvenient Truth" have gone to The Alliance for Climate Protection, an organization he created to educate the public about the global warming issue.

(http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/interview-gore.html)
and (http://www.algore.com/)

To say he was profitting off this alarming and very real phenomenon would do a grave disservice to a man who is following his conscience and trying to make a difference in this world, to better the lives of mankind. He's no saint, I know, he's a former politician. But he's done his research and become convinced that there is a problem, and he's doing the right thing--he's using his celebrity to get out a message that he believes will result in the greater good for the planet. I've got to admire that, given the other choices he could be making for his post-Washington career.

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It's good to finally see the truth coming to light.

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When I said, There is no actual proof of global warming...my statement was too broad (I think I spelled that wrong...sorry :D) There is proof of global warming, yes the earth's average temp has gone up over the past couple of years..what I meant to say is that there is no actual proof that greenhouse gases cause the Earth's temperature to go up. Yes, in your links there was a test that proved that greenhouse gases cause the temperature to go up, but if you read on it said that scientist still despute weather the method of measurement is a reliable way of testing if greenhouse gases are the cause.

As far as Al Gore goes, yeah he may be spreading the word of global warming through the good of his heart, or he may just be doing it because it is a great way to cash-in. I hope he's doing it because he really thinks this is a major problem, and that he wants a solution to be found. But, really no one really knows his true motive, so we just have to assume that he is a good person and really cares about the matter.

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Exactly. There is proof of Global Warming, but there is also proof of Global Cooling. Which means that the Earth goes through cycles, just like every living thing.
I do believe that we should "go green" as much as possible, because of the G.H. gasses.

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A.J. Massey wrote:
Exactly. There is proof of Global Warming, but there is also proof of Global Cooling. Which means that the Earth goes through cycles, just like every living thing.
I do believe that we should "go green" as much as possible, because of the G.H. gasses.


Yeah, we're prolly better off going green. I really don't see any bad coming from the hybrids. Now gas prices are rising to almost $4 a gallon, I think we will definantly see some alternative fuels in the next couple years.

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Here is what Weather Channel founder John Coleman has previously said:

It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create an allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the “research” to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.

Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild “scientific” scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmentally conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minute documentary segment.

I do not oppose environmentalism. I do not oppose the political positions of either party. However, Global Warming, i.e. Climate Change, is not about environmentalism or politics. It is not a religion. It is not something you “believe in.” It is science; the science of meteorology. This is my field of life-long expertise. And I am telling you Global Warming is a non-event, a manufactured crisis and a total scam. I say this knowing you probably won’t believe a me, a mere TV weatherman, challenging a Nobel Prize, Academy Award and Emmy Award winning former Vice President of United States. So be it.

I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.

In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious. As the temperature rises, polar ice cap melting, coastal flooding and super storm pattern all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realize we have been duped. The sky is not falling. And, natural cycles and drifts in climate are as much if not more responsible for any climate changes underway. I strongly believe that the next twenty years are equally as likely to see a cooling trend as they are to see a warming trend.

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badmoonrising wrote:
Here is what Weather Channel founder John Coleman has previously said:

It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create an allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the “research” to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.

Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild “scientific” scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmentally conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minute documentary segment.

I do not oppose environmentalism. I do not oppose the political positions of either party. However, Global Warming, i.e. Climate Change, is not about environmentalism or politics. It is not a religion. It is not something you “believe in.” It is science; the science of meteorology. This is my field of life-long expertise. And I am telling you Global Warming is a non-event, a manufactured crisis and a total scam. I say this knowing you probably won’t believe a me, a mere TV weatherman, challenging a Nobel Prize, Academy Award and Emmy Award winning former Vice President of United States. So be it.

I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.

In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious. As the temperature rises, polar ice cap melting, coastal flooding and super storm pattern all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realize we have been duped. The sky is not falling. And, natural cycles and drifts in climate are as much if not more responsible for any climate changes underway. I strongly believe that the next twenty years are equally as likely to see a cooling trend as they are to see a warming trend.

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His fourth sentence really speaks volumes.


true words, moon---any scientist who has the environment's greater good in mind is necessarily "dastardly" and has nefarious motives for trying to inform the public of their findings...

What I find even more astounding are his words in the last paragraph...the 2nd sentence starting with "as the temperature rises"---he claims all of these things won't come to pass and uh...some already are...the polar ice caps are already becoming smaller and smaller each winter---causing a dangerous reduction in habitat for the polar bear:

http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 01832.html

And that's just one of any number of links that can be found to illustrate that subject....

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I'm saying that he (John Coleman) has studied weather his whole life and knows more than any scientist would ever know. Also, this statement really makes one think:

Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going.

He's saying that they are wanting these research grants to keep their ships afloat and, they found a spokesperson in Al Gore. What better way than by recruiting a politician? Then, he uses his clout as one to begin to manipulate and place fear in the masses via the media by claiming we are in immediate danger. I, for one, have a very low opinion of politics/politicians in general, as they are all a pack of liars. I do not buy into their message that the "World is going to end today" message of despair. It is unnecessary. The world has always gone thru cyclical weather patterns, and constantly evolving. It's unpredictable. This is more about those scientists getting what they want for their own selfish needs. After all, nobody works for free.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:42 am 
Here's something that you might find interesting about Al Gore:

House #1 A 20 room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house, all heated by gas. In one month this residence consumes more energy than the average American household does in a year. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2400 per month. In natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not situated in a Northern or Midwestern "snow belt" area. It's in the South.



House #2
Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university. This house incorporates every "green" feature current home construction can provide. The house is 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on a high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground.

The water (usually 67 degrees F) heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas and it consumes one-quarter electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Surrounding flowers and shrubs native to the area enable the property to blend into the surrounding rural landscape.

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HOUSE #1 is outside of Nashville, Tennessee; it is the abode of the "environmentalist " Al Gore.

HOUSE #2 is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas; it is the residence the of the President of the United States, George W. Bush.

An "inconvenient truth."

I sure hope this gets passed to everyone! And, yes ... I DID check Snopes prior to forwarding it.


You can verify it at : http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp

Unfortunately, the pics of each house aren't showing here, but the difference is huge between the two houses. Gore's is wasteful and not Eco friendly, while Bush's is very modest and has utilized the latest "green" features you can think of. Not a big fan of Bush, but he's at least doing his part where Gore is a hypocrite when it comes to preaching about global warming and doing all that he can for our world.


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badmoonrising wrote:
I'm saying that he (John Coleman) has studied weather his whole life and knows more than any scientist would ever know. Also, this statement really makes one think:

Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going.

He's saying that they are wanting these research grants to keep their ships afloat and, they found a spokesperson in Al Gore. What better way than by recruiting a politician? Then, he uses his clout as one to begin to manipulate and place fear in the masses via the media by claiming we are in immediate danger. I, for one, have a very low opinion of politics/politicians in general, as they are all a pack of liars. I do not buy into their message that the "World is going to end today" message of despair. It is unnecessary. The world has always gone thru cyclical weather patterns, and constantly evolving. It's unpredictable. This is more about those scientists getting what they want for their own selfish needs. After all, nobody works for free.


I too have an inherent distrust of politicos---from both sides of the rhetoric/debate---if you are insinuating that the people on the side that Al Gore champions have the lock-down on using connections to line their own pockets, I have one word for you:

Halliburton.

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badmoonrising wrote:
Here's something that you might find interesting about Al Gore:

House #1 A 20 room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house, all heated by gas. In one month this residence consumes more energy than the average American household does in a year. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2400 per month. In natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not situated in a Northern or Midwestern "snow belt" area. It's in the South.


The following quotes were pulled from the Energy Information Administration's (part of the DOE) natural gas info for kids webpage...interesting to note that although natural gas is classified currently as a non-renewable energy source, there is technology (the "digesters" they talk about in the second paragraph) that allow us to recycle unused or waste product organic material into more natural gas, making it more and more of a renewable energy source.....Sure, it contributes to greenhouse gases, but way less than other fossil fuels...nobody's perfect....

"Most of the natural gas consumed in the United States is produced in the United States. Some is imported from Canada and shipped to the United States in pipelines. Increasingly natural gas is also being shipped to the United States as liquefied natural gas(LNG)."

"We can also use machines called "digesters" that turn today's organic material (plants, animal wastes, etc.) into natural gas. This replaces waiting for thousands of years for the gas to form naturally."

"Natural gas burns more cleanly than other fossil fuels. It has fewer emissions of sulfur, carbon, and nitrogen than coal or oil, and it has almost no ash particles left after burning. Being a clean fuel is one reason that the use of natural gas, especially for electricity generation, has grown so much and is expected to grow even more in the future."


In a report by CNN in October of last year (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/ ... index.html) it is noted that the Gores made extensive environmentally friendly renovations to the house, including adding a geothermal heating system, which reduced their natural gas consumption by 93 percent in the three months after the system was installed....wow, that's a huge reduction I'd say....



badmoonrising wrote:
House #2
Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university. This house incorporates every "green" feature current home construction can provide. The house is 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on a high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground.

The water (usually 67 degrees F) heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas and it consumes one-quarter electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Surrounding flowers and shrubs native to the area enable the property to blend into the surrounding rural landscape.


As for the Bush's home in Crawford? I applaud them for being so conscientous...for a change....

badmoonrising wrote:
HOUSE #1 is outside of Nashville, Tennessee; it is the abode of the "environmentalist " Al Gore.

HOUSE #2 is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas; it is the residence the of the President of the United States, George W. Bush.

An "inconvenient truth."

Why yes, it would be an "inconvenient truth" if it was the whole of the truth....it is, however, what used to be the truth....

badmoonrising wrote:
I sure hope this gets passed to everyone! And, yes ... I DID check Snopes prior to forwarding it.
and oh boy! do we thank you for that!! would that more people would do so....


badmoonrising wrote:
Unfortunately, the pics of each house aren't showing here, but the difference is huge between the two houses. Gore's is wasteful and not Eco friendly, while Bush's is very modest and has utilized the latest "green" features you can think of.
Again, this is what used to be, not what is now...and it didn't take a whole lot of searching to find that out...

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Not a big fan of Bush, but he's at least doing his part where Gore is a hypocrite when it comes to preaching about global warming and doing all that he can for our world.
Glad to hear you're not a Bush fan, I might have had to throw tomatoes at you...j/k....But really, Gore's not so much of a hypocrite, now that he's made all those renovations...you must see that, mr. moonie....

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